Boycott of manufacturers who do business with the federal gov.
 

The thread about Winchester delivering 200 million .40 rounds to DHS ( http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=431510 ) was the tipping point for me. I think we need to organize a boycott of all manufacturers who do business with the federal government. Let's face it, they are delivering the weapons which we be used AGAINST US soon. I will no longer support that.

We need to start a list of which companies are fine to buy from and which ones should be boycotted.

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Then it will be pretty much soviet block foreign arms only.

The US manufacturers exist now only at the whim of the feds...I don't think we will see any tier one manufacturer not going along.

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but yeah, 200m rounds? wow.

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Here is a post I wrote in October regarding my thoughts about the final gun grab. It has good info in there about what companies to avoid and why.

My Thoughts On The Final Gun Grab

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I agree. It is a noble cause, but we will be doing more harm to ourselves than them. I would Imagine every single AR company either through itself or it's parent company has some form of contract with the feds.

Edit:Didnt mean to just say AR, I meant ammo and parts company as well. We will have nothing of consistent quality to use or practice with if we do not use from those aligned with TPTB.

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I think I'm seeing a new business opportunity here. Hopefully we can create a market for it.

Max, like normal, we are on the same page. I am so glad someone else finally sees what is going on here. I've been saying the same thing about Cerberus on here for a while now.

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Not me

So let me get this right we come on here and say everyone should be able to buy any firearm and ammo.

But now the gooberment is buying ammo that I can buy and I am suppose to be against their right to buy.

Thats F**king stupid

As long as I can buy
I have no problem anyone else buying even if its the govt.

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The more buyers the more increased demand the more produced surplus and sold to us cheap in 5-10 years.

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I believe it is more buyers > more demand > higher prices > shorter supply

In no way do I think DHS buying 200 million rounds of ammo is or can be, a good thing.

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You are right, but that is for immediate time. That was why I said 5-10 years later.

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So lets do some math...

How many DHS employees are there?

Lets say for sake of argument there are 20,000. Let's say each employee in average uses 100 rounds for practice a month....

We know that the contract is for 5 years.

20,000x60x100=120,000,000.

And that is for ammo that would be GONE and used up, not for operational stockpiles.

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Actually, the number stated is 225,000 employees spread out over 22 Depts., of course not all would be directly related to some type of enforcement
Customs Service � Treasury
Coast Guard � Transportation
Secret Service � Treasury
United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (formerly Immigration and Naturalization Service) � Justice
United States Border Patrol (formerly Immigration and Naturalization Service) � Justice
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (formerly Immigration and Naturalization Service) � Justice
United States Federal Protective Service (part of NPPD)
Transportation Security Administration � Transportation
Federal Law Enforcement Training Center � Treasury
Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service � Agriculture
Office for Domestic Preparedness � Justice
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Strategic National Stockpile and the National Disaster Medical System � HHS
Nuclear Incident Response Team � Energy
Domestic Emergency Support Teams � Justice
National Domestic Preparedness Office � FBI
CBRN Countermeasures Programs � Energy
Environmental Measurements Laboratory � Energy
National BW Defense Analysis Center � Defense
Plum Island Animal Disease Center � Agriculture
Federal Computer Incident Response Center � GSA
National Communications System � Defense
National Protection and Programs Directorate (NPPD) (formerly the National Infrastructure Protection Center) � FBI
Energy Security and Assurance Program � Energy

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Oh, boy, that'll show them! :sarc:

Remington - Federal contracts
Winchester - Federal contracts
Federal Cartridge - Federal (government) contracts (including Lake City)
Speer/CCI - Federal contracts
Dakota Ammo (Cor-Bon) - Federal contracts
Black Hills - Federal contracts
Hornady - Federal contracts

The list goes on, including for many foreign companies who make 5.56mm like Sellier & Bellot, Prvi Partizan, and PMC.

So, unless you're ready to cast your own bullets, make your brass, and create your own primers & powder, you're SOL if you want to boycott companies that do business with the Feds.

Although, I guess we could buy Israel Military Industries ammo. :confused_ma:

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Right.. so given the context of the number of employees, say 40% are enforcement? Then this really is not that big of an issue.

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Anything meatman disagrees with is "F**king stupid".

The Federal Government is not a citizen. Anything they buy is purchased from money stolen from you and me. Once purchased, the merchandise is usually used against us.

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That's something I have been thinking about, too. I have long been a fan of Sig Sauer firearms, the older ones anyway. Ron Cohen became CEO and the quality of their products went downhill and they quit supplying parts for guns made before the Cohen regime.
Similar things have happened at other gun manufacturers.
This is what I call "a war of a thousand pin pricks". They use many different strategies at once, most of them pretty subtle, but added together can be devastating.

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Also with the subtle acts, when you point them out to people they say "oh your just grasping at straws" yet when you see them all in concert you realize that it isn't just random coincidences.

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Gee, lets see.... Back in the 70's I vowed to boycott Gallo wines and I haven't had any since... they gone out of business yet?

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Which gun parts are you looking for?

And Cohen is only in charge of the SIG Sauer USA division. Try to get parts, if necessary, from Germany from Sauer & Sohn - they still have their Swastika logo. :wink:

http://www.sauer.de/

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Somethings are a matter of principal.

I take it that you voted for McAmnesty over Chuck Baldwin or some other candidate because it would be "futile" to vote 3rd party right. :bear_rolleyes:

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It's easy to ridicule someone who's complaining about a pin prick while sticking 999 more of them in him at the same time. Kill me with a thousand pin pricks and I'm just as dead as if you stuck a stiletto in my heart.

I don't need any at the momemt but I'm in the market for a P220 .45 Made in Germany and I heard they don't sell extractors and some other parts anymore. Will Germany from Sauer & Sohn ship to the US?

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Bud's Guns does not list any nuclear warheads though :wink:

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At the very least, boycott HS Precision (endorsed by Lon Horiuchi).

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That one's a must.
http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=326074

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I thought that was a given....

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I hadn't heard that thanks for posting. That son of a bitch will burn in hell one day.

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I know a boycott like this will be very difficult. I know that, but something needs to be done. A total boycott doesn't look possible, and I made this thread in haste because I was/am very angry about the whole situation. I'm sure their are some firearm makers who do not have government contracts and I'm going to start buying from them. Ammunition wise, they may all have their hands dirty but I know I'm not buying from Winchester, or any other, who deals with the feds in such a large manner.

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No I just live in the real world

if they are counting on my money they are starving

Debt free
work for cash (around $75,000)
property tax on my land is $175 year
I really don't buy anything new
and other then gas tax
their lucky if they get $300 year out of me.

and yes Boycotting a ammo company because they sell to the govt.

is F**king stupid

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See now thats what I am talking about

Govt can buy nuclear warheads and we can't

so now we have something to boycott

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Is it possible to post without being belligerant?

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It wouldn't work. There aren't enough gun owners and sportsmen that are politically minded to make a difference. Yeah, we can put out the numbers one day every 2 or 4 years to vote but I doubt we could get a large enough group to boycott almost every American gun or ammunition factory within the US. Just imagine trying to get the boycott going, "Come on Patriots!, buy foreign ammo and put our companies out of business."

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That's fine by me........they're cheaper and a better buy anyhow.

:coolbeer:

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This thread was a waste of 5 minutes....

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I am sorry

The ideal to boycott a ammo manufacture because they sell to the wicked gooberment is a wonderful and joyful ideal.

And now lets join hands and sing a xmas carol

your right I can post without being Belligerent


:36_3_12:

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Somehow I figured you'd pipe in on that.....:biggrin:

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Actually the goobermint has bought from all the usual suspects RE surplus combloc stuff to arm Iraqis, Afghanis, PollyAnnas and Chumbawumbas too. That includes arms and ammo from all the combloc countries, plus new production stuff like Wolf.


BTW, I think H&S dropped Horriuchi. Not that it matters, I'm still peeved.:flame: